His former friends attacked him, so he was “forced” (pun intended) to kill them.

They had to make an irredeemable character redeemable, and try to make his actions logical.Įven in the Rise of Kylo Ren comics, most of his bad choices are explained away without any real agency on his part. This triggered the powers at LF wanting to wipe away as much of Kylo/Ben’s track record of making the “bad” choice as they could, even though he actively made them. Before then deciding Ben/Kylo was going to be an evil bastard whatever way it fell (he didn’t want to be redeemed at the end of TLJ).Īnd then in whatever wisdom, instead of following the semi-logical line of Ben/Kylo being irredeemable at this point, JJ decided he wanted to emulate RoTJ and redeem Kylo like Vader (despite that after knowing Vader’s story, his upbringing as a slave, time being alienated by other Jedi and tremendous manipulation by Papa Palps, his redemption by his son made complete sense as family was his anchoring point to the light side of the force). I think JJ (in whatever plan he may or may not have had) made it pretty clear in TFA (in Rey’s Vision) Kylo did the murdering with the Knights of Ren (who Han notes as former students of Luke as well?).Īnd then in TLJ Rian flip flopped, inverted the plan and cast doubt on what had happened (with points of view on what happened).

From what we saw in other flashbacks it doesn’t seem like the roof collapse is what killed the other padawans, so at what point after this did Kylo decide “hey, let’s kill a whole bunch of other people who had nothing to do with what happened between me and my uncle”? And once he does, how does he do that? If he started the massacre immediately after Luke tried to kill him, then how did Luke fail to stop him? And for that matter, how did the other Jedi and padawans in the temple fail to stop him? We’ve seen that even a little baby like Grogu can be a pretty formidable foe under the right circumstances, and even with the Knights of Ren at his side Kylo would still likely have been outnumbered by the other students, not to mention any older, more seasoned Jedi that might still be kicking around like Ashoka. Looking at the scene, what happens is that Kylo wakes up, sees Luke getting ready to kill him, and then fights back, first by grabbing his own lightsaber and then by starting to collapse the roof on top of him and Luke.

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